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Kiley Davidson's avatar

One of the key lessons to learn about fascism and authoritarian groups is that they reward loyalty over competence. That inevitably means that competent people leave (since they have no hope of advancement and are increasingly surrounded by idiots), and that the people who replace them are often incapable of actually performing the job well.

We saw this in Trumps first term, and it will be worse in the second: no one wants to work for a shitty boss, much less a sycophant for a tyrant, and as such critical roles in government will go unfilled and basic functions will break down. The mail will run slower, getting regulatory approvals will take longer, flights will be delayed and security screening unusually bad, and so on. It’ll suck - but make it that much easier to win Congress back in 2026 and the White House in 2028.

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Kimberly Urciuolo's avatar

But how long do you think Trump will live? And if Vance is still alive out there maybe he’s more strategically competent. He can definitely please a crowd. He will politely change his story on a dime to make it sound like he agrees with the masses. Unlike DT he doesn’t believe his own lies.

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Kiley Davidson's avatar

The issue with Vance is he *is* deeply unlikable. NO ONE around him really likes him, largely because he is so transparently spineless and arrogant but doesn’t have Trump’s considerable charisma to make up for it. He *is* more competent, for sure, but he would struggle to hold a collation of power together - for a few reasons.

First, cults of personality and tyrannical governments rarely survive the loss of their figurehead: moving the cult of personality to a new leader is *hard*, and requires years of planning or the kind of rapid coup that really isn’t easy with how our government is organized federally. In any case the GOP has done none of the former, and is absolutely too fractured for the latter to be anything but a struggle. The party is barely holding together as-is, and the infighting after his death will only make that worse.

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Kimberly Urciuolo's avatar

I believe the ultimate goal is the destruction of our government, fracturing our country and some sort of oligarch enjoying the chaos.

He’s placing people to dismantle our democracy and all of our institutions.

When he is gone those people will still be there, they might fight over his successor, obviously musk, but once he’s named himself grand king whatever, it’s going to be a long fight with low odds.

I agree it’s not going to happen over night, and things will take time to dismantle.

I know all of the fight from the bottom up stuff, and we need to, i just want to know if our representatives have given up. Why are they quiet? Do they have a plan or are we all sitting ducks?

whatever the case, MAGA haven’t made any huge moves that are obvious to the public. So we have that to cling to for now.

Anywaysssss.

[Stick together, stay strong, find something to live for, fight every battle and protect your neighbors!

We need regular ppl to join the school boards, flood our churches and sacred places, show up at town hall meetings. Or think big and run for local offices. There’s are more uncontested seats out there. Let’s show young ppl how to be empowered so they don’t feel scared and helpless.]

(If you made it here thank you for your time) 💕💙

I think AG or a guest mentioned “Run for something”, they look pretty cool and they are trying to fill seats at all levels. Let’s do this!

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Ellen L Wright's avatar

Vance please a crowd? You must be joking. I have watched him be booed like crazy. The little jackleg is working on being the next Ted Cruz in the Senate and getting there fast. I know he went to Harvard Law School, but I'll be damned if I think it took. Harvard has a problem in that their bar for entrance is rather low as long as you can pay the entrance fees and keep paying. The trick with Harvard is STAYING THERE. But that still doesn't mean much if you can get tutors to take tests for you, and various other underhanded shenanigans. The other Ivy League schools are harder to get in and harder to stay in. Harvard still has that Bostonian cachet though. Vance certainly plays on it. "I'm a poor boy who managed to get through Harvard and look at me." It's all a huge lie. He wasn't poor, Daddy paid, and he wasn't that good of a student. Vance a strategy wonk? Nope. He's just a decent looking opportunist-a leech if you will. If you watched his campaign for the Senate, I'm not sure the guy has ever had an original thought in his life. He depends on somebody else. But I will tell you this-he's enough of a misogynist that whoever it is probably is not female.

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