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chev_chelios's avatar

Waj...I just got off from watching and listening to you and Danielle....thank you for that hour of truth, honesty and facts.....but Bro ! ....I love you and Allison....but you're going to be no good burning yourself out....get a little rest Brother....and keep doing what you all do....bringing the truth !

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Kate Theerstwhile's avatar

This! Please don't burn out.

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Courtney's avatar

Thanks for this. You’re spot on. My son is a HS freshman and had male classmates crying when this shooting happened. They’re much more aware at 12, 13, 14 if not younger about this stuff. Folks like Fuentes, Tate, Kirk are talking directly to your teen sons.

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Vel Santic's avatar

the moment America admitted andrew tate whom the entire sane world knows for being an irreparable criminal psychopath, I knew America was finished.

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Kath A's avatar

Tyler is apparently not speaking to the police.. so it’s going to be difficult to get direct information..

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Vel Santic's avatar

which I'm afraid though I want to be wrong, many in the police who are similar to tyler could be making very easy, comfy and "righteous" for him to do, so to cover the whole thing up. I'd really want to be wrong about the police but considering how many tRumputinists are among them, I'm worried about that.

Anyways, from the moment I heard about the assassination on Charlie Kirk two-three days ago, I simply knew the perp was one of wider tRumputinist base. I wasn't wrong.

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William Gottlieb's avatar

You guys are the best. Thanks for all the clear information.

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Cathy Hobart's avatar

I was thinking exactly about The OKC bombers as you were talking. They have created the monster and now it is eating them.

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Thomas Thompson's avatar

Robinson sounds as though his reality got lost while trying to be a whiz at video games. That utter gibberish on the shell casings was the first hint this kid was seriously confused.

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Vel Santic's avatar

but he wasn't a kid, please, let's treat him as an adult terrorist.

At his age, I all alone by myself of my whole family, had already been in my first-second year of legal immigration to USA working all kinds of lowest-paid jobs and disproportionately to my earnings, have been paying large taxes for USA economy, back in 1998, with my excellent English. Have been struggling to survive having barely survived as a teenage civilian the monstrous yugoslav wars.

Also, at charlie kirk's age, I was still working although my caseworkers were worried about my exhaustion and ordered me to apply for an assistance.

What I want to say is that tRumputinist antidemocratic scum have waaaay too much free time on their hands, are stupid unspeakably stupid, lazy, rotten-spoiled coddled and turn to bigotry, hate and terrorism. that needs to stop!

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James Lukeman's avatar

Great listening to you today. I teach teenagers in Australia. Our security agencies are prioritising focus on the dangers presented by contemporary extreme right white nationalists. We’ve got them. And I’ve studied a lot of politics and thought I knew a lot about the radical right. But I knew very little about how truly off the dial it has become.

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Rach Moo's avatar

Echoing your concerns, James. I am also an Australian secondary teacher. I learnt a lot from this discussion. It’s so helpful to understand the memes and signalling.

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Helen S's avatar

You two amazing people are a blessing to us all!! You can honestly say you are both living your authentic lives. How wonderful to use your talents to explain in simple terms all the darkness around this ugly world of sad, lonely young gaming boys. You both shined light on the ugliness which I hope will be a wake up call for everyone, especially parents. This is a very sick part of America and highlights the built in racism that’s ALWAYS been fueled by white supremacy!!!! Hate should not be normalized in ANY COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY in America!! Sad that half of America voted for an ignorant, vengeful, bigoted, misogynist, felon and adjudicated rapist. Mr two Corinthians. Tells you everything you need to know about those folks. I hope these lost souls will be enlightened to love, respect and compassion for ALL people. We are ALL connected and always will be. Thank you both!!

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Linda Austin's avatar

Yikes! Listening & watching this podcast gave me the same stunned, jaw dropping my hubby and I had when watching the film ADOLESCENCE. I had no idea of the toxic culture permeating our young depicted in that film. We had both heard of most of those terms (manosphere, incel, etc) but never did a deep dive to understand it. Now, with this podcast, I am again stunned learn of the toxic stuff out there..... the "groypers" world and the extreme MAGA right warring on the mild MAGA right. (I knew of Nick "Your body, my choice" Fuentes.) My hubby and I are college educated and pay a lot of attention to political happenings domestically and internationally. But clearly, we know just the tip of the iceberg. Sadly and frighteningly, we know more than most; there are tons more ppl out there who are simply "not into politics" or naively don't care. We need another ADOLESCENCE film only this time about the gameosphere. That would reach more ppl and make them/us pay attention to what is happening to our society. Thanks for an enlightening podcast, Allison & Waj.

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George Rutaganda's avatar

You are a dumb illiterate boomer cockroach. Subhuman vermin. The "person" telling you this has earnestly believed that Trump was going to be arrested and removed from office since 2016. Almost an entire decade of being wrong, and you just now discover what a groyper is despite the "movement" being almost just as old and just as irrelevant.

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Linda Ferguson's avatar

Excellent discussion as always. So enlightening to me. Thank you

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Douglas's avatar

During Obama admin Janet Napolitano, Sec DHS, formulated a report on right wing domestic terrorism and the right wing went ballistic. Obama, the weakling and under press had her shitcan the report AND apologize. So....here we are.

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Kate Theerstwhile's avatar

Waj and Allison. Thank you - this is such important info. Promise us that you both will get rest.

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Damara Shanmugan's avatar

Thank you both. Guess i will need to learn yet another language of hate. Disgusting.

So much easier to just love each other…

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Margaret Nobbs's avatar

Freedom of speech is pivotal to a healthy democracy. What is not healthy,is the hate speech that is used by some as a weapon. It kills logic,critical thinking and problem solving which is birthed by active debate. This present government are doing just this. They are using words as a weapon, with a particular target in mind. This is so dangerous,frightening and irresponsible.

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keri's avatar

I had never heard Groyer until today.

And I Googled it. More people will know about them now.

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Vel Santic's avatar

Raw Story had reported on it, occasionally. But sure that with the return of the worst groyper d. j. tRumputin on the mightiest power on earth, all sorts of his antidemocratic base became only emboldened.

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RHenry's avatar

Why can’t the right see that democrats are peacefully protesting regularly and that they condemn violence and threats regularly. The GOP/MAGA is a domestic terror organization

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jibal jibal's avatar

Because right = evil, corrupt, lying.

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