Surely I am not the only one thinking Mr Biden could have had a reaction to a decongestant or antihistamine. To recover so quickly, that seems like a logical explanation. The Biden/Harris ticket still has my support.
It could have been the firehouse of lies coming out of agent orange as well. It is humourous that the Russian bot says that the emperor has no clothes. Wouldn't be true of frontbutt? Maybe he was right when he said his voters were dumb enough to vote for him if he shot someone on 5th avenue?
Did you NPCs receive some sort of software update where you all now spout “firehouse of lies”? Like that specific exact phrase. I’ve heard it everywhere, in various columns and publications and you all parrot it in comments. Like not one of you can come up with an original thought or metaphor; you literally get your opinions and thoughts directly from the corporate media. Which is why you were too clueless to notice Biden’s OBVIOUS clinical dementia, even though it’s been manifest for the last four years.
Dude, you’re the one that (for reasons we can guess, but may smell like vodka) is spending gobs of time and energy in a forum you obviously have disdain for, nothing but contempt for.
If you’re not being paid, then the only other explanation why you’re just trying to bring down/divide Dems/Biden supporters is you’re a very small man person.
Good luck to your little hate centered pee brain, lol.
More baseless ad homonyms and projection. And still not an ounce of acknowledgement that YOU COULDN’T see an obvious case of dementia right in front of your damn eyes. Once again, you are so demonstrably bad at interpreting reality that your insults mean nothing: you literally, in every way, don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
Is there any substance to any of your random ad hominems? “Donny is in poor health, provable bullshit” blah blah…. But you never name any specifics. And listen, YOU are so detached from reality that you DIDN’T NOTICE Biden’s obvious dementia (which obviously outweighs any of the imaginary health conditions Trump supposedly has that you can’t specify)…. So I don’t actually think your epistemological skills are honed enough to even judge or tell whether Trump is lying. You should yknow, try to open your eyes and listen to what the “other side” is saying… because we’ve been right about everything so far 😂😂
could well have been, and i thought that was the most compelling explanation... until i saw igor sushko's havana syndrome hypothesis. what he did not mention, but what struck me is that it explains what a cold does not. namely, trump's behavior. the mango menace strode out on stage like the cocky A-hole he is, and he proceeded to attack joe with his firehose of lies and accusations **like a bully who knows his victim can't defend himself*. trump *knew* he'd have the upper hand, he *knew* he had an ace up his sleeve., and he *knew* he'd get away with it. i sure hope the fbi and cia are on this crap. hope it's nothing, but fear it's not, sadly like the '16 caper.
Conspiracy theories are not what explains a bad debate showing.
It’s quite reasonable to say these factors led to a bad night:
* being under the weather (esp affecting his voice and energy)
* being very old - yeah, he’s old, that limits the hours of the day he’s sharp, that is absolutely true
* being over prepped, too much info/lists he was trying to list
* getting low blows about his sons
* feeling the need to correct every lie
* the debate format was somewhat alien to him, since there was almost no colloquy
And I’m going to tell you, Havana Syndrome has a high likelihood of turning out to be false. It’s been studied a lot, there’s hardly any rigorous, solid and consistent evidence of that being a real phenomenon, beyond normal issues ppl have in the course of stress overseas.
I’d say the fact that you were making ridiculous excuses for Biden’s obvious dementia (now all but confirmed to be Parkinson’s by even the New York Times) makes you an utter buffoon.
You’d make a good PR resource. It’s been documented that Neurologist’s specializing in Parkinson’s have visited the White House. Now we have both Parties who will not acknowledge reality. Perhaps the Neurologists were visiting to discuss a reaction to cold medicine.???
I think medication side effect would remain part of a differential diagnosis but it may not be the most likely cause. More testing would ease my fears about whether or not Mr Biden is up to another 4 years. Of note, the White House Medical Unit treats more people than just the President. Is it possible the neurologists were at the WH to see/treat someone else?
Note to self. Ask any Neurologist or a Loved one whose spouse died from dementia. You can hate Trump all you want yet it’s not going to change or reverse Medical Science (ohh, right, we don’t believe in Science anymore); Joe has every symptom of Dementia. Howl at the Moon, Disregard anyone who disagrees with your narrative; the guy has dementia. MSM & DNC hv been gaslighting America the last 4 years.
Put Kamala Harris in his place. There’s absolutely zero chance Trump can win yet we keep talking about the boogeyman in the closet
all due respect, but i am indeed a neuropsychologist, and i can tell you this is absolutely NOT dementia! (nor is it dementia for djt, but that's a different rant.) i won't bother going thru all the behavior patterns that rule this out cuz appears you're more inclined to disregard anyone who disagrees with your narrative, having decided without adequate scientific and medical info.
Not a doctor, but worked for a neurologist specializing in dementia for many years. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that Mr Biden was having TIAs in the Broca’s area of his brain, which controls the ability to turn thoughts into speech. He reads a teleprompter without problem but sometimes forming the words is a problem. I wouldn’t use the word dementia to describe his mental status, but that’s just my opinion. I also think Mr Trump has had a series of TIAs as we have seen in some of his interviews and rally speeches. I would love it if they both dropped out of the race and we had better candidates.
Did the neurologist you worked for also treat stuttering or stammering? I am also not a doctor, but I know Biden has coped with this problem for a long time. I am familiar with such speech patterns through my family. They pause as they try to say the right word, even though they have the thought firmly in their mind. Unfortunately in a debate format with time limits this can be a problem. I see no need to invoke a TIA.
I don’t recall seeing patients where stuttering or stammering was the primary complaint. I am sure President Biden’s speech challenges that are well documented contributed to the poor debate performance but I also feel there was something else going on. Was it medication side effect, was it fatigue, was it something else, I don’t know. We can all speculate about what it could be but perhaps we can agree that if Mr Biden agreed to an independent full neurological workup and shared those results, it would go a long way to easing the fears of the voting public. I never in a million years would vote for Mr Trump. My vote will go to the democratic nominee, whomever that may be.
Salvatore, for me it's not about carrying on a charade. It's about trust. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Joe (and Jill) Biden believe they have a role to play in this moment. Trump (and his backers!!!) must be defeated. The Heritage Foundation, Federalist Society et al have another goal in mind: minority rule. Even if it means trashing the separation of church and state. Especially if it means trashing the separation of church and state.
Part of the equation of having someone so old and experienced is that he has an excellent track record to go on (political career and 1st pres term).
And he has throughout shown proper decency, respect, and adherence to genuine values, which is a sharp contrast to the dumpster fire of Trump’s time in office and obvious character issues.
Yes, it is about trust. And having observed and participated in government and politics for the past few decades, there’s not a chance in the world I’d trust another Democrat administration. You have been weighed in the balance and found wanting.
Typical ‘reporter’ facts aren’t fluid or elastic they have one version. I’m sorry you can’t find the one version that is very easy to remember. I dont have to search like magas to find some news that agrees with my conspiracy theory.
You are jaded and you are biased and you are wrong. And that’s ok. You are entitled To your opinion.
I am with you. That shyte show was no debate and Bash and Tapper lost all credibility . What it showed was one hoarse man vs one horse’s ass. I am voting for the hoarse man who tells the truth.
Well you are entitled to your opinion. Trumps has dementia and his aphasia is worse everyday. Biden is old. A very old successful guy who brought the USA out of Trump chaos and has had a very successful presidency. That’s what veeps are for. He wins and steps
Down when he wants.
However Trump will be pulled off the trail by Sept if not at the convention. Chaos as usual insues
Why wasn't the president able to counter any of his lies? The American public deserves better. There's no shame in having dementia. There is shame in letting someone who has dementia act as leader of the free world. And it accelerates rapidly once it reaches this point. Use your brain.
I did in December, and told them why due to their continual boosting the loser and denigrating articles and opinion pieces on President Biden. Response, "I'm sorry, hate to see you go." I'm sure they weren't.
Cancelling a single subscription is admittedly a small blow, but at least it has the virtue of being a bigger one than posting comments they won’t read.
It’s a start Formerly Newspapers relied on Advertising for Revenue. That’s no longer the case - Newspapers & especially NYT derive vast majority of revenue from their Readers. NYT slants / reports from the perspective of their Readers, not the Advertisers. Hence, Bari Weiss resigned and started Free Press
Pardon my conspiracy mind, but Joe was SO off, I thought someone slipped him a Mickey. Yes he was tired, sick, and jet lagged. But I heard the real Joe the next morning!
Have you ever spent time around 82 year old people with dementia? Writing this off as no big deal and expecting this man to lead 330M people for the next four years is inconceivably naive me.
Well said AG! Have NONE of these pundits ever played sports. You play to the end. You don’t have a meltdown and call to pull the QB because he throws one interception. C’mon now.
Fair enough. Although your premise that a Biden loss equates to ‘throwing away the country’ is a bit hyperbolic. Also, it wasn’t that he looked old…he couldn’t put a coherent sentence together. It was hard to watch.
You can say it is hyperbolic as that may be your opinion. However, I believe Maya Angelou said correctly, that when someone tells you who they are believe them. Trump tells us his term will be the revenge tour. Project 2025 tells us what menu, if not most, Repubs will support. The lieutenant governor of North Carolina says the right for this country may be to kill non-believers.
I take them at their word which I believe has a higher probability of happening than your unsupported dismissal.
fair enough...I'd just caution you to pay attention to what Trump actually says and what the liberal media and politicians tell you he says. There tends to be a chasm of lost context between the two ('very fine people', 'dictator on day 1', 'bloodbath', etc.) . He's also said 'America's success will be my revenge' and he has disavowed himself from Project 2025. I've noticed the liberal media are placing a lot of focus on Project 2025. As a conservative who follows independent and conservative news sources, I've never read a thing about it. No one in my sphere is even talking about it. It seems to be something the left is clinging to in order to mix in fear, uncertainty, and doubt (playing on far-right tropes). All said, i think partisans on both sides would be better served to first assume the best in the opposing side's comments...take the charitable view and disprove that first...then move on to perhaps more cynical interpretations.
Read the transcript . Joe's transcript was 99% better than tRumps gibberish. Exactly what tRump did to Biden during this debate (bully and lie ,causing complete off the wall thinking) makes it impossible to maintain a straight thought around these drama type . We all know them and avoid them at all costs. Joe didn't sign up for this BS and shouldn't give tRump a second chance . Bidens transcript needs to be ready ,he really did circles around the lier . It just was hard when your shell shocked to react diplomatically . I would have been stunned too ... But ,I like Joe have respect and don't like confrontation with lies
I saw an interview with a Spanish gentleman who watched the debate with subtitles. He said Biden clearly won as he answered questions, had policy and Trump failed to answer questions and his answers were mine was the greatest ever. The key to watching Trump is mute button (I hate his voice) and close captions on. This is a whole new wth was that experience. He spews word salads of incomprehensible b s., but he does it with force and vigor that his base fails to recognize it for the bologna it is.
Great point. Remember, Nixon supposedly won the debate against Kennedy but Kennedy won the optics. I watched Reagan lose all debates on substance but won the optics. I often wonder about the so called experts who decide who won the debate.
I was simple for me. One candidate never answered a question. If two people decide to debate and one chooses to not answer the questions but only lies, sneers, name calls, there is no debate.
Our so-called pundits who called the debate in the Great Cloaca’s favor are IMO just high priced fools. I never cease to be amazed—not really as I’ve seen it so often—how so many fools believe they are EXPERTS.
It's called gish gallop and a cult leader does this . It's how Hitler, Mousseline,Jim Jones ,Charles Manson were successful in their endeavors. TRump is dangerous because of these tactics . It's a mind control and for him a Egotistical success when ignorant people don't understand his rhetorics. He didn't prep for the debate he prep for his gish galloping of Biden . This is exactly why he needs to be jailed with no social media . He has said he loves all these types and Hannibal silently , and this is why . No more debates ..you can't debate these types of conmen . It's impossible.
I suggest the next time tfg’s in a debate or similar or just an interview, the media should collect clips of his favorite rally statements (lies, brags, whatever) and compare those to his “answers."
He doesn’t answer the question; he never intended to in the debate. He used his usual stuff instead because he’s good at delivering it.
That’s why he didn’t have to prep. He knows tv and big media well.
He had some gaffes, that part is true. But yeah he was actually coherently answering the debate questions, honestly.
What I can’t believe is how easy ppl have been making it out to be: that anyone can get up there with a stuttering issue and get emotionally charged lies thrown at them by a monkey and think straight. It would’ve required Superman, and Joe was sick and exhausted.
And I am of the opinion that Biden’s handlers over prepared him. Since I have no evidence for I’m only basing this on watching attorneys try to fight every point made by the other side rather than having picked three strong points of their own and staying focused on those points.
I agree with you, Jim. I think what we saw was a guy who was unwell (that day) who was carrying the burden of too many facts and figures.
I feel like shit today (exhausted from an incredibly busy, taxing week with a rip-roaring headache). I've been asking myself how I would do on stage feeling as I do. Not great!! I'd hate to think that the fate of nothing less than democracy depends on that one poor performance rather than my demonstrably lengthy and illustrious accomplishments!
I appreciate your agreement and recognize that both our opinions are not grounded in facts. However, your and my point seems logical an is supported by the great speech Biden gave the next day in North Carolina.
This is directed to those who may feel dismay and those who still have hope following the debate. For those who say, “we’ve lost” or “Biden cannot stay in the race,” I hope that you will hold on a little longer. I am sorry your hope was so easily dashed. To those who are hanging on I say, it is not our hope that will keep D. J. Trump out of the presidency, it is our strength. Nobody says that this monumental campaign is going to run smoothly with no bumps in the road. President Biden, after multiple trips around the world, with a cold and a week of being subjected to his campaign staffers’ angst and push on debate issues, came and underperformed. This is one debate. Other presidents have bombed in a debate and went on to win their races. Take a breath and relax.
We all grow older; it is the human condition. It does not make us less effective in our decision making, it just takes a little more time. Biden’s decision-making strength comes from his weighing the numbers, the effects on people and our economy, and a multitude of other things. When asked a question he processes a lot, and processing and verbalizing in a two-minute window is a challenge for anyone, especially for an older individual.
Spewing lies is a much easier task. Which was done, as expected, but with no pushback from the moderators, other than a three time repeat of original, unanswered questions, by Diana Bash. I refuse to go into the fact checking Trump in this comment, I’ll leave that to the professionals.
Remember what a dark hole we are viewing in Trump’s Project 2025 plan. I plan to work for the elections of Biden and Harris, and every clear-thinking Democrat up and down the ballot. I accept the bombed debate outcome of this one debate and will move forward, as I sincerely hope all of you will as well.
NOTE: In the next debate, if it happens, I think that the inclusion of notes, on cards or paper, and a three-minute response time would be helpful. While muting the mic was a well-intended addition, it did not mute a debater from making himself be heard on the stage. This was unfortunate, particularly when someone was spewing lies, although it did make the audience’s listening atmosphere calmer.
You've got some cojones to fight so much cognitive dissonance all on your own. Of course they'll call you a troll, it's as far as their brain cells can go. Who votes for corrupt gigaclowns like Biden and Trump, and then does Comăneci grade mental gymnastics to defend the indefensible? Very entertaining though 😅
Mr./Miss/Mrs./Ms. CUNAEUS, I tried to read your Substack, which you launched eight months ago, but alas it is empty.
You said, “The Western world has shifted at this point because the government agendas that Biden et al represent have demonstrated that they are corrupt and incompetent.” What demonstrates corruption and who is incompetent? The people serving in Biden’s administration endorse his candidacy, however, the felon leader does not have people who worked closely with him endorsing him. No, they are warning voters that he is incompetent, dangerous, and offer statements about his ineptitude.
People reading your comment understand that it lacks substance. I would willingly debate with anyone who puts forth issues and wants to discuss them. Try again CUNAUS.
Modi? You said, “Like Trump, all Modi had to do to get popular approval after his election was to go and DO the things that the public was paying for and not getting, like waste water treatment in rural communities.”
I would also add that like Trump, the media assisted his rise. Like Trump he wants adoration but refuses to go before the public and present his policies. Like Trump he is running on dividing his country between the Hindus and Muslims. Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party is a crumbling party, as recently reported, “(BJP) lost its national majority after suffering major losses in key states, marking a dramatic shift in a political landscape it has dominated for the past decade.”
You are so right. But we need weekly fireside chats from Biden beginning immediately and through November. The country is facing an existential crisis. He needs to sit down at the resolute desk and look at the camera and tell the country the truth, calmly and in earnest, over and over again. Because the message is not getting out.
Amen to all of this! I love how you never overreact to anything, but instead take time to think things through and wait for more information to emerge, and even then point out there’s probably more that we need to know about the situation.
Exactly! And especially the ballot deadlines. One for sure is before the convention so we just completely lose that state..
The New York times is all sulky because Biden wouldn't give them an exclusive interview so they are panning him and we have to totally ignore that paper which has become a right-wing rag.
Don’t completely agree on the right wing part, but the editorial staff def are pissed they never their one on one sit down with him, and they are being incredibly petty
Thank you, AG, for this wisdom. Cancelled NYT months ago, boycotting CNN. Mainstream media run by multinational corporations has its own Agenda, not for the people. I had a dream last night that DJT was abusing me personally. It’s what he’s doing to the country, but most of all to women. We must win this election ourselves
Surely I am not the only one thinking Mr Biden could have had a reaction to a decongestant or antihistamine. To recover so quickly, that seems like a logical explanation. The Biden/Harris ticket still has my support.
It could have been the firehouse of lies coming out of agent orange as well. It is humourous that the Russian bot says that the emperor has no clothes. Wouldn't be true of frontbutt? Maybe he was right when he said his voters were dumb enough to vote for him if he shot someone on 5th avenue?
Did you NPCs receive some sort of software update where you all now spout “firehouse of lies”? Like that specific exact phrase. I’ve heard it everywhere, in various columns and publications and you all parrot it in comments. Like not one of you can come up with an original thought or metaphor; you literally get your opinions and thoughts directly from the corporate media. Which is why you were too clueless to notice Biden’s OBVIOUS clinical dementia, even though it’s been manifest for the last four years.
Dude, you’re the one that (for reasons we can guess, but may smell like vodka) is spending gobs of time and energy in a forum you obviously have disdain for, nothing but contempt for.
If you’re not being paid, then the only other explanation why you’re just trying to bring down/divide Dems/Biden supporters is you’re a very small man person.
Good luck to your little hate centered pee brain, lol.
More baseless ad homonyms and projection. And still not an ounce of acknowledgement that YOU COULDN’T see an obvious case of dementia right in front of your damn eyes. Once again, you are so demonstrably bad at interpreting reality that your insults mean nothing: you literally, in every way, don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
Don’t get mad, bro
You can go watch ONN or Steve Bannon war room (oh wait, te he…)
Also, ED is mainly a mental thing, you just gotta get out there and find someone that’s as desperate as you.
You go get em little tiger! :)
How about, I don’t know, JOE BIDEN HAVING DEMENTIA??! Are you paying attention? Or being purposely obtuse?
Anyway, firehouse of lies seems easier or more PG to say than bucket of provable bullshit.
Is there any substance to any of your random ad hominems? “Donny is in poor health, provable bullshit” blah blah…. But you never name any specifics. And listen, YOU are so detached from reality that you DIDN’T NOTICE Biden’s obvious dementia (which obviously outweighs any of the imaginary health conditions Trump supposedly has that you can’t specify)…. So I don’t actually think your epistemological skills are honed enough to even judge or tell whether Trump is lying. You should yknow, try to open your eyes and listen to what the “other side” is saying… because we’ve been right about everything so far 😂😂
And what has your side been right about?
I will pray for you. Life must be really hard. I refuse to vote for COVID-25, though.
It's amusing that you fail to notice Donny's poor health and very special grasp on reality. He's exactly what I thought conservatives hated. Alas.
Good point, well put
could well have been, and i thought that was the most compelling explanation... until i saw igor sushko's havana syndrome hypothesis. what he did not mention, but what struck me is that it explains what a cold does not. namely, trump's behavior. the mango menace strode out on stage like the cocky A-hole he is, and he proceeded to attack joe with his firehose of lies and accusations **like a bully who knows his victim can't defend himself*. trump *knew* he'd have the upper hand, he *knew* he had an ace up his sleeve., and he *knew* he'd get away with it. i sure hope the fbi and cia are on this crap. hope it's nothing, but fear it's not, sadly like the '16 caper.
Conspiracy theories are not what explains a bad debate showing.
It’s quite reasonable to say these factors led to a bad night:
* being under the weather (esp affecting his voice and energy)
* being very old - yeah, he’s old, that limits the hours of the day he’s sharp, that is absolutely true
* being over prepped, too much info/lists he was trying to list
* getting low blows about his sons
* feeling the need to correct every lie
* the debate format was somewhat alien to him, since there was almost no colloquy
And I’m going to tell you, Havana Syndrome has a high likelihood of turning out to be false. It’s been studied a lot, there’s hardly any rigorous, solid and consistent evidence of that being a real phenomenon, beyond normal issues ppl have in the course of stress overseas.
Mental fatigue is transient. He recovered admirably, even be for the night was over.
HE HAS DEMENTIA 😂😂😂 how the hell can you cope so hard 🤣🤣🤣
Be gone, troll
Using words like “cope” indicates you’re not a serious person
I’d say the fact that you were making ridiculous excuses for Biden’s obvious dementia (now all but confirmed to be Parkinson’s by even the New York Times) makes you an utter buffoon.
Hey, I get it. It’s tough being a hater.
Pls, if you don’t get help here, get help somewhere.
Agree. My husband is extremely sensitive to cold and cough remedies. They hit him quickly and
Usually put him to sleep. Did the President take something to help the cold?
As PT Barnum is want to say “There’s a Sucker Born Every Minute”. Let’s put our support for Bernie or HRC
Mine too!
You’d make a good PR resource. It’s been documented that Neurologist’s specializing in Parkinson’s have visited the White House. Now we have both Parties who will not acknowledge reality. Perhaps the Neurologists were visiting to discuss a reaction to cold medicine.???
I think medication side effect would remain part of a differential diagnosis but it may not be the most likely cause. More testing would ease my fears about whether or not Mr Biden is up to another 4 years. Of note, the White House Medical Unit treats more people than just the President. Is it possible the neurologists were at the WH to see/treat someone else?
MINE TOO!💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
Note to self. Ask any Neurologist or a Loved one whose spouse died from dementia. You can hate Trump all you want yet it’s not going to change or reverse Medical Science (ohh, right, we don’t believe in Science anymore); Joe has every symptom of Dementia. Howl at the Moon, Disregard anyone who disagrees with your narrative; the guy has dementia. MSM & DNC hv been gaslighting America the last 4 years.
Put Kamala Harris in his place. There’s absolutely zero chance Trump can win yet we keep talking about the boogeyman in the closet
all due respect, but i am indeed a neuropsychologist, and i can tell you this is absolutely NOT dementia! (nor is it dementia for djt, but that's a different rant.) i won't bother going thru all the behavior patterns that rule this out cuz appears you're more inclined to disregard anyone who disagrees with your narrative, having decided without adequate scientific and medical info.
Not a doctor, but worked for a neurologist specializing in dementia for many years. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that Mr Biden was having TIAs in the Broca’s area of his brain, which controls the ability to turn thoughts into speech. He reads a teleprompter without problem but sometimes forming the words is a problem. I wouldn’t use the word dementia to describe his mental status, but that’s just my opinion. I also think Mr Trump has had a series of TIAs as we have seen in some of his interviews and rally speeches. I would love it if they both dropped out of the race and we had better candidates.
Did the neurologist you worked for also treat stuttering or stammering? I am also not a doctor, but I know Biden has coped with this problem for a long time. I am familiar with such speech patterns through my family. They pause as they try to say the right word, even though they have the thought firmly in their mind. Unfortunately in a debate format with time limits this can be a problem. I see no need to invoke a TIA.
I don’t recall seeing patients where stuttering or stammering was the primary complaint. I am sure President Biden’s speech challenges that are well documented contributed to the poor debate performance but I also feel there was something else going on. Was it medication side effect, was it fatigue, was it something else, I don’t know. We can all speculate about what it could be but perhaps we can agree that if Mr Biden agreed to an independent full neurological workup and shared those results, it would go a long way to easing the fears of the voting public. I never in a million years would vote for Mr Trump. My vote will go to the democratic nominee, whomever that may be.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You are a Full On maga so that’s zero credibility. Such bullshit. Poorly educated and in a cult
Salvatore, for me it's not about carrying on a charade. It's about trust. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Joe (and Jill) Biden believe they have a role to play in this moment. Trump (and his backers!!!) must be defeated. The Heritage Foundation, Federalist Society et al have another goal in mind: minority rule. Even if it means trashing the separation of church and state. Especially if it means trashing the separation of church and state.
Part of the equation of having someone so old and experienced is that he has an excellent track record to go on (political career and 1st pres term).
And he has throughout shown proper decency, respect, and adherence to genuine values, which is a sharp contrast to the dumpster fire of Trump’s time in office and obvious character issues.
Yes, it is about trust. And having observed and participated in government and politics for the past few decades, there’s not a chance in the world I’d trust another Democrat administration. You have been weighed in the balance and found wanting.
You’re not very swift. Joe has done more for America than anyone. The truth isn’t hard to find. First leave the cult. Get the truth and wake up
The USA has recovered well
But you all are never happy. What about me and what about me.
he was talking about Trump really DeeDee... lol
Which one. These feeds are confusing
I was just saying that what he was writing was describing Trump’s future, not Biden 😉
Yes but who was writing that.
You’ve picked a side, I get it, but it’s not working. And we’re going to win.
Good will triumph over evil, Biden will win.
I’m sorry that makes you mad.
As more voters become aware of Project 2025, they are beginning to see the light. VOTE BLUE
Careful, you might overdose on that copium.
Typical ‘reporter’ facts aren’t fluid or elastic they have one version. I’m sorry you can’t find the one version that is very easy to remember. I dont have to search like magas to find some news that agrees with my conspiracy theory.
You are jaded and you are biased and you are wrong. And that’s ok. You are entitled To your opinion.
Now watch…
LOL.
Biden will
Crush the demented felon in a landslide 😎🙂↔️
“Know nothings”? You should talk, LOL
Trump IS naked and it is an awful sight.
I am with you. That shyte show was no debate and Bash and Tapper lost all credibility . What it showed was one hoarse man vs one horse’s ass. I am voting for the hoarse man who tells the truth.
Lol hoarse voice vs horses ass. Great comment
They lost credibility because they didn’t challenge Trump on any of his lies.
I’m cancelling my subscription to the NYT today!
Tapper had none and now bash doesn’t either. Haven’t been able to watch them since they drank the koolaid e
Hate on anyone who’s not toeing the line that Joe doesn’t exhibit all the symptoms of dementia. It’s not going to change medical science
Well you are entitled to your opinion. Trumps has dementia and his aphasia is worse everyday. Biden is old. A very old successful guy who brought the USA out of Trump chaos and has had a very successful presidency. That’s what veeps are for. He wins and steps
Down when he wants.
However Trump will be pulled off the trail by Sept if not at the convention. Chaos as usual insues
They are both trumpers & Republicans
Hahahahaha🤡💩
Wondering why on gods green earth you don’t hate Trump? He possesses absolutely no virtue. None.
🖕🏼 they just let TFG lie and lie and lie —blocked
Why wasn't the president able to counter any of his lies? The American public deserves better. There's no shame in having dementia. There is shame in letting someone who has dementia act as leader of the free world. And it accelerates rapidly once it reaches this point. Use your brain.
You couldn't have said it better, there's a poet in our midst :)
Me too
Agree with everything you said and also cancelled my NYT subscription this morning.
I did in December, and told them why due to their continual boosting the loser and denigrating articles and opinion pieces on President Biden. Response, "I'm sorry, hate to see you go." I'm sure they weren't.
No one thinks you are
Serious 🤦🏼♀️
So.... *don't* cancel your subscription and continue to provide financial support to those who are promoting a dictator?
Cancelling a single subscription is admittedly a small blow, but at least it has the virtue of being a bigger one than posting comments they won’t read.
Snarkiness will fix nothing. Get on board.
Go ahead and outlie if you're undecided. But quit raining on the parade of those of us who HAVE decided. #BidenHarris2024
It’s a start Formerly Newspapers relied on Advertising for Revenue. That’s no longer the case - Newspapers & especially NYT derive vast majority of revenue from their Readers. NYT slants / reports from the perspective of their Readers, not the Advertisers. Hence, Bari Weiss resigned and started Free Press
Don't cancel it. That will fix it.
Pardon my conspiracy mind, but Joe was SO off, I thought someone slipped him a Mickey. Yes he was tired, sick, and jet lagged. But I heard the real Joe the next morning!
So did I!!!! It would be great to see the video of the REAL Joe as a billboard 👏 👍 😀
Hogwash
Have you ever spent time around 82 year old people with dementia? Writing this off as no big deal and expecting this man to lead 330M people for the next four years is inconceivably naive me.
Worst case, I'm still voting against the malignant narcissist.
The convicted felon and would-be dictator. Recognize him now?
Well said AG! Have NONE of these pundits ever played sports. You play to the end. You don’t have a meltdown and call to pull the QB because he throws one interception. C’mon now.
This will all blow over Monday after the immunity buffet is opened at the SC.
Two weeks from now this will be 4 news cycles in the past.
On Election Day and during early/mail in voting, it will be a pretty small issue compared to the existential threat posed by this orange turd.
This isn’t aging well.
I actually think it’s aging fine.
Agree to disagree, I’m not someone that throws away the country bc of one debate where someone looked old.
Fair enough. Although your premise that a Biden loss equates to ‘throwing away the country’ is a bit hyperbolic. Also, it wasn’t that he looked old…he couldn’t put a coherent sentence together. It was hard to watch.
I read the transcript and let me just say, you’re feeling on his speech are probably colored by appearance and poor delivery.
Try it, it’s revelatory. There are gaffes, there is his unfortunate bad phrasing about Medicare, there are wrong figures.
But his answers are cogent points, for the most part.
You can say it is hyperbolic as that may be your opinion. However, I believe Maya Angelou said correctly, that when someone tells you who they are believe them. Trump tells us his term will be the revenge tour. Project 2025 tells us what menu, if not most, Repubs will support. The lieutenant governor of North Carolina says the right for this country may be to kill non-believers.
I take them at their word which I believe has a higher probability of happening than your unsupported dismissal.
fair enough...I'd just caution you to pay attention to what Trump actually says and what the liberal media and politicians tell you he says. There tends to be a chasm of lost context between the two ('very fine people', 'dictator on day 1', 'bloodbath', etc.) . He's also said 'America's success will be my revenge' and he has disavowed himself from Project 2025. I've noticed the liberal media are placing a lot of focus on Project 2025. As a conservative who follows independent and conservative news sources, I've never read a thing about it. No one in my sphere is even talking about it. It seems to be something the left is clinging to in order to mix in fear, uncertainty, and doubt (playing on far-right tropes). All said, i think partisans on both sides would be better served to first assume the best in the opposing side's comments...take the charitable view and disprove that first...then move on to perhaps more cynical interpretations.
Read the transcript . Joe's transcript was 99% better than tRumps gibberish. Exactly what tRump did to Biden during this debate (bully and lie ,causing complete off the wall thinking) makes it impossible to maintain a straight thought around these drama type . We all know them and avoid them at all costs. Joe didn't sign up for this BS and shouldn't give tRump a second chance . Bidens transcript needs to be ready ,he really did circles around the lier . It just was hard when your shell shocked to react diplomatically . I would have been stunned too ... But ,I like Joe have respect and don't like confrontation with lies
I saw an interview with a Spanish gentleman who watched the debate with subtitles. He said Biden clearly won as he answered questions, had policy and Trump failed to answer questions and his answers were mine was the greatest ever. The key to watching Trump is mute button (I hate his voice) and close captions on. This is a whole new wth was that experience. He spews word salads of incomprehensible b s., but he does it with force and vigor that his base fails to recognize it for the bologna it is.
Great point. Remember, Nixon supposedly won the debate against Kennedy but Kennedy won the optics. I watched Reagan lose all debates on substance but won the optics. I often wonder about the so called experts who decide who won the debate.
I was simple for me. One candidate never answered a question. If two people decide to debate and one chooses to not answer the questions but only lies, sneers, name calls, there is no debate.
Our so-called pundits who called the debate in the Great Cloaca’s favor are IMO just high priced fools. I never cease to be amazed—not really as I’ve seen it so often—how so many fools believe they are EXPERTS.
I had to look up Cloaca...and I'm laughing.
It's called gish gallop and a cult leader does this . It's how Hitler, Mousseline,Jim Jones ,Charles Manson were successful in their endeavors. TRump is dangerous because of these tactics . It's a mind control and for him a Egotistical success when ignorant people don't understand his rhetorics. He didn't prep for the debate he prep for his gish galloping of Biden . This is exactly why he needs to be jailed with no social media . He has said he loves all these types and Hannibal silently , and this is why . No more debates ..you can't debate these types of conmen . It's impossible.
That’s a great thought! To follow up ...
I suggest the next time tfg’s in a debate or similar or just an interview, the media should collect clips of his favorite rally statements (lies, brags, whatever) and compare those to his “answers."
He doesn’t answer the question; he never intended to in the debate. He used his usual stuff instead because he’s good at delivering it.
That’s why he didn’t have to prep. He knows tv and big media well.
He had some gaffes, that part is true. But yeah he was actually coherently answering the debate questions, honestly.
What I can’t believe is how easy ppl have been making it out to be: that anyone can get up there with a stuttering issue and get emotionally charged lies thrown at them by a monkey and think straight. It would’ve required Superman, and Joe was sick and exhausted.
And I am of the opinion that Biden’s handlers over prepared him. Since I have no evidence for I’m only basing this on watching attorneys try to fight every point made by the other side rather than having picked three strong points of their own and staying focused on those points.
I agree with you, Jim. I think what we saw was a guy who was unwell (that day) who was carrying the burden of too many facts and figures.
I feel like shit today (exhausted from an incredibly busy, taxing week with a rip-roaring headache). I've been asking myself how I would do on stage feeling as I do. Not great!! I'd hate to think that the fate of nothing less than democracy depends on that one poor performance rather than my demonstrably lengthy and illustrious accomplishments!
I appreciate your agreement and recognize that both our opinions are not grounded in facts. However, your and my point seems logical an is supported by the great speech Biden gave the next day in North Carolina.
Thanks Jim! It's vitally important that we acknowledge opinions versus verifiable facts if we hope to have any credibility!
Trump = BS!💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
Haha Biden challenged Trump to the debate, not the other way around 🥴
Thank you for this! Democrats are so freakin’ emo it’s embarrassing sometimes.
I am with you….and Joe!
Agree with all my heart and soul. Also cancelled my Times subscription and sent that money to Joe & Kamala instead. Dems all the way down the ballot!
So did I, the day after the so called debate
You’ll be foregoing more than some little pleasures like air-conditioning or protein if Joe gets back in.
I came so close to spitting coffee on my screen just now. 🤣🤣
Post Bombed Debate
This is directed to those who may feel dismay and those who still have hope following the debate. For those who say, “we’ve lost” or “Biden cannot stay in the race,” I hope that you will hold on a little longer. I am sorry your hope was so easily dashed. To those who are hanging on I say, it is not our hope that will keep D. J. Trump out of the presidency, it is our strength. Nobody says that this monumental campaign is going to run smoothly with no bumps in the road. President Biden, after multiple trips around the world, with a cold and a week of being subjected to his campaign staffers’ angst and push on debate issues, came and underperformed. This is one debate. Other presidents have bombed in a debate and went on to win their races. Take a breath and relax.
We all grow older; it is the human condition. It does not make us less effective in our decision making, it just takes a little more time. Biden’s decision-making strength comes from his weighing the numbers, the effects on people and our economy, and a multitude of other things. When asked a question he processes a lot, and processing and verbalizing in a two-minute window is a challenge for anyone, especially for an older individual.
Spewing lies is a much easier task. Which was done, as expected, but with no pushback from the moderators, other than a three time repeat of original, unanswered questions, by Diana Bash. I refuse to go into the fact checking Trump in this comment, I’ll leave that to the professionals.
Remember what a dark hole we are viewing in Trump’s Project 2025 plan. I plan to work for the elections of Biden and Harris, and every clear-thinking Democrat up and down the ballot. I accept the bombed debate outcome of this one debate and will move forward, as I sincerely hope all of you will as well.
NOTE: In the next debate, if it happens, I think that the inclusion of notes, on cards or paper, and a three-minute response time would be helpful. While muting the mic was a well-intended addition, it did not mute a debater from making himself be heard on the stage. This was unfortunate, particularly when someone was spewing lies, although it did make the audience’s listening atmosphere calmer.
Troll in the house. Jakarta?
Yeah…
Hahahaha we are
Reading the room. The cult
Surely can have their opinion. Until you can speak truth there is zero debate.
Zero. We don’t debate with people who can’t see truth.
You've got some cojones to fight so much cognitive dissonance all on your own. Of course they'll call you a troll, it's as far as their brain cells can go. Who votes for corrupt gigaclowns like Biden and Trump, and then does Comăneci grade mental gymnastics to defend the indefensible? Very entertaining though 😅
Mr./Miss/Mrs./Ms. CUNAEUS, I tried to read your Substack, which you launched eight months ago, but alas it is empty.
You said, “The Western world has shifted at this point because the government agendas that Biden et al represent have demonstrated that they are corrupt and incompetent.” What demonstrates corruption and who is incompetent? The people serving in Biden’s administration endorse his candidacy, however, the felon leader does not have people who worked closely with him endorsing him. No, they are warning voters that he is incompetent, dangerous, and offer statements about his ineptitude.
People reading your comment understand that it lacks substance. I would willingly debate with anyone who puts forth issues and wants to discuss them. Try again CUNAUS.
Full on Maggat. Matt
Too. Giddy up 🤡. You are so full of bullshit.
Yabba yabba yabba 🤦🏼♀️
Maybe you should get out of your echo chamber & check out the myriad accomplishments of the Biden administration.
Yeah no kidding. He’s part of the poorly educated cult
I’d like to see the myriad of accomplishments.
Modi? You said, “Like Trump, all Modi had to do to get popular approval after his election was to go and DO the things that the public was paying for and not getting, like waste water treatment in rural communities.”
I would also add that like Trump, the media assisted his rise. Like Trump he wants adoration but refuses to go before the public and present his policies. Like Trump he is running on dividing his country between the Hindus and Muslims. Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party is a crumbling party, as recently reported, “(BJP) lost its national majority after suffering major losses in key states, marking a dramatic shift in a political landscape it has dominated for the past decade.”
Have another example?
Such bullshit magga. Such bullshit.
Malarkey
You have zero clue what you are talking about… poorly educated cult lackie? Or just dumb and ignorant ? Maybe both 😁🤡
Hahahaha🤡💩
You are so right. But we need weekly fireside chats from Biden beginning immediately and through November. The country is facing an existential crisis. He needs to sit down at the resolute desk and look at the camera and tell the country the truth, calmly and in earnest, over and over again. Because the message is not getting out.
Just like FDR during the Great Depression of the 1930s.
Podcast?
Emphatically agree!!!!!!!
Amen to all of this! I love how you never overreact to anything, but instead take time to think things through and wait for more information to emerge, and even then point out there’s probably more that we need to know about the situation.
Exactly! And especially the ballot deadlines. One for sure is before the convention so we just completely lose that state..
The New York times is all sulky because Biden wouldn't give them an exclusive interview so they are panning him and we have to totally ignore that paper which has become a right-wing rag.
Don’t completely agree on the right wing part, but the editorial staff def are pissed they never their one on one sit down with him, and they are being incredibly petty
Fair enough. I may have let my irritation paint the NYT more right wing then I should have.
Unfortunately true!😥😥
Thank you, AG, for this wisdom. Cancelled NYT months ago, boycotting CNN. Mainstream media run by multinational corporations has its own Agenda, not for the people. I had a dream last night that DJT was abusing me personally. It’s what he’s doing to the country, but most of all to women. We must win this election ourselves